Newport Chartists Vol.15, p.68

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Reg[ina[ vs Z Williams
________________________by Mr Geach
Cross Exam -on of Thomas Saunders
by Mr Geach . I went to Bryn Mawr
to see my friends . I went to see Mr Marsden
as one in particular. I called upon 3 friends
in the course of the day. I called on Mr Havard
[at] the Prince of Wales . Mr Powell of the
New found Out but it is the Bee Hive
I had conversation about the movement
[?] bet[wee]n the men. Mr Marsden
for one went to Abergavenny that mor - [ni]ng I had
no conversation with the Publicans but I saw
them leaving the Town. I heard several other people
conversing upon the subj t that day I learnt
nothing from them. I had not heard of that movement
before. I was in doubt as well as themselves
The doubts that I had heard that day did not
convey any impression to my mind as I had
often heard such reports before. I have said
that I have heard other people say
that they were afraid of the Chartists
rising I had not heard of I have
heard of the rising before that day .
I withdraw my answer when I state that
I had not heard of rising.Tues d[ay] of 5th Novr I
was taken by a Policeman & 2 constables
to Mr Edwards the magistrate/s/. I was confined
at the Poor House 6 Days. My Statement
was taken at the Poor House by Mr Edwards . It
did not occupy much time about 10 minutes
or a quarter of an hour. Mr Edwards did not

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advise giving information Nothing said about
being discharged if I gave Information
Z Williams's House the nearest way
to Abersychan from Bryn Mawr
I do not know there is a shorter way
across the mountain from Bryn Mawr
than I mean to say I know not of a shorter
road
First saw the Prisr nr Ebbw Vale
___________________[?]Up on the mountain

did not the Prisoner draw a Pistol & threaten to shoot you
As to the Pistol being seen by others
was it not dark
I cannot say the Pistol was
loaded. It was by all the [?] ac[coun]- ts
I have heard- did not the
Pris r. tell you the Pistol was
loaded

After the Tram was [?] att-d I did
go into a House near where the
Tram was att d go into a House
& force people out I did so by his
orders. Prisr ... ... off [?]
[in left margin]
Whose}
orders?}
I did not use violence towards
a Young Man & the Pris r did not
interpose & blame me for it
I saw the Pris r behave violently
towards myself for one I have
seen the pris r holding a pistol towards
another person whose name I do not know

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this side of Pie Corner near the Square just
coming up by the Top about 1/2 p[ast] 7 or 8 in the mor-ng
it was light. The ansr Pris r. gave was we are
going thro' Newport & very likely to Monmouth
I did not hear Prisoner recommend
peace several times
Pistol 10 or 12 In[che]s long __ [?] ... Horse Pistol
I cannot name one man who saw
the Pris r but [?put] the bullet [?] in the Pistol
Dark
Wet[in left margin] }
& noisy
Conversation bet[wee]n Prisn r & Witness
noise of the People dark night & wet
Pont Aberbeeg - The Pris r & several more
went in. I went in to a Public House
bet[wee]n Pont Aberbeeg & Ebbw Vale
Pris r did not restrain witness from violence agst a young Man.
any
recollection
of being [in left margin] }
restrained
Not restrained by Prisoner at
Risca
No word passed bet[wee]n me & the Pris r
at Stow Hill
Conversation bet[wee]n us at Stow Hill
I retreated
I saw the Pris r when the wounded man
was brot to Stow Hill

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Reg vs Z. Williams

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Evidence of Thomas
Saunders
Abersychan [ in red ink]

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