Interviewer Sian Green:  So you mentioned a bit earlier about, you know some of the challenges. What would you say are the biggest challenges that you're facing and maybe you've noticed sort of in a wider context in farming at the moment?
CHT: I think going back to the comment about price takers, one of them that's been a huge problem for us is that we can't get a price, we have to take whatever price we're given based on what the market price does and the UK market is quite small in this.  So therefore, the price …well just take Ukraine because of the conflict in Ukraine, our wheat has all gone up in price.  But it's not as simple as that, because everything else has gone up with it in the negative, well just take the fuel for instance, we were paying 20 to 23 pence a litre for fuel and now we're paying £1.22 a litre for fuel.  So everything has gone up and this year was a bit of a Godsend as we had a lovely summer, so we didn't have to spend a fortune drying the grain. Normally we'd have to dry on that grain and that would have been 20 to 30,000 pounds of extra expenditure with these prices.  So everything's gone up.
I think the other thing is labour, finding people and finding the right people that can come on this journey with us, accommodation, as Louisa said. But I think it's, because of all the costs and stuff now why we have to differentiate and create products that can actually stand on their own and get closer to that final market.

Interviewer Sian Green:  And sort of conversely to that is what do you find most satisfying? Or take most joy in in farming?
LHT: I get a lot of joy from seeing people appreciate it.  Our products, whether it's bedding, store or whether it's vegetables or pumpkins and I mean in the last couple of years we've developed quite a broad range of local markets say, from restaurants to pumpkins going into local schools to the bedding straw going to equine customers. And we've had rave reviews for that. So yeah, getting great feedback is lovely.
CHT: Yeah, I'm a very, very passionate farmer and I've always loved farming and different farming in different parts of the world. I suppose it's fair to say with the costs, you know, to give you an example, a concrete floor that should have cost us 20,000 cost us 55,000 because of Brexit and all the COVID stuff that went on, electricity costs, all the other stuff, you know, has disillusioned me slightly. I'm very passionate about what we're trying to do, but I do feel that we have got one hand tied behind our back really.  And it is actually taken, I'll be quite open now has taken a hell of a toll on me in terms of somethings I never worried about before, and now I do worry, and I think farming as it is in Gower now, unless we change, I think we'll just be an afterthought.   And you know, I was going a lot to Brazil and now they laugh about us, they talk about us having a garden here. Well, obviously in the UK it's quite a decent size farm, but I think it's the logistics and the understanding of where these markets are we need to differentiate and change that. otherwise, I think a lot of Wales will end up being subsistence farming and a few sheep turned out, and I think the grant structures that the Welsh Government are putting into place at the moment are going to create a barren ground now is that barren ground good for it? It's environmentally it may be good, but is it actually going to keep Wales farming? I have my doubts.